Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Coaching credentials

In the wake of Voss being appointed to coach Brisbane in 2009, and with some other coaches potentially under pressure next year, it's a good time to consider how coaches are chosen.

It's one of the fables of aussie rules that truly great players can coach — a fable that Brisbane have bought into big time.

I've started a study to look at the influences on "successful" coaches. I am, somewhat arbitrarily, using Premierships as the signifier of "success".

Looking at Premiership coaches from 1960 to the present day, there are some interesting points to note. There are a few dynasties.
  • Norm Smith – Ron Barassi – John Nicholls – Alex Jesaulenko – Robert Walls – Malcolm Blight
  • John Kennedy – David Parkin – Leigh Matthews
  • Tom Hafey – Tony Jewel – Kevin Sheedy – Mick Malthouse – Mark Thompson
Of course the lists available have a lot to do with premierships, as do administrations. But,using the first list above as an example, Norm Smith clearly had a significant influence on Ron Barassi, who in turn influenced Nicholls, Jezza, Walls (I could have coached THAT team to a flag!) and Blight. Kennedy clearly influenced Parkin and, in turn, Parkin influenced Matthews, and so on.

It's interesting to note that only nine (9) coaches have achieved only a single flag over the past forty-eight years: Nicholls, Jesaulenko, Walls, Davis, Williams, Jewel, Roos, Worsfold, Thompson (soone to exit this list).

It's also interesting to note that a very low number of naturally-talented footballers have achieved the ultimate coaching success: Blight (2), Jesaulenko (1), Roos (1), Coleman (2), and, stretching the definition in my view, Matthews (4).

Gritty players who got the most out of their (limited) talent are over-represented: Parkin (4), Sheedy (4), Hafey (4), Jeans (4), Barassi (4), Kennedy (3), Malthouse (2), Pagan (2), Williams (1), Thompson (1 and counting).

More to come on this subject.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Do not forget to add Worsfold to the list of players who got the best out of their bodies and got premiership results as a coach.

I think its got something to do with the fact that they themselves had to work hard to play the game and so they use that 'work ethic' in their coaching..

While other coaches were imo just lucky (Roos, Blight).

Murph said...

Yes, you're right on Worsfold.

Blight's record overall says he wasn't lucky. He went very close three times with Geelong before saluting the judge with Adelaide back-to-back. Five grand finals in a decade isn't luck.

You're analysis of having had to work hard to succeed is dead right. I'd take it a step further and say that they understand what's required of the bottom 25% of their list to succeed. I think it's that end of the list that carries teams to Premierships, not the stars.

Coaching credentials

In the wake of Voss being appointed to coach Brisbane in 2009, and with some other coaches potentially under pressure next year, it's a good time to consider how coaches are chosen.

It's one of the fables of aussie rules that truly great players can coach — a fable that Brisbane have bought into big time.

I've started a study to look at the influences on "successful" coaches. I am, somewhat arbitrarily, using Premierships as the signifier of "success".

Looking at Premiership coaches from 1960 to the present day, there are some interesting points to note. There are a few dynasties.

  • Norm Smith – Ron Barassi – John Nicholls – Alex Jesaulenko – Robert Walls – Malcolm Blight
  • John Kennedy – David Parkin – Leigh Matthews
  • Tom Hafey – Tony Jewel – Kevin Sheedy – Mick Malthouse – Mark Thompson
Of course the lists available have a lot to do with premierships, as do administrations. But,using the first list above as an example, Norm Smith clearly had a significant influence on Ron Barassi, who in turn influenced Nicholls, Jezza, Walls (I could have coached THAT team to a flag!) and Blight. Kennedy clearly influenced Parkin and, in turn, Parkin influenced Matthews, and so on.

It's interesting to note that only nine (9) coaches have achieved only a single flag over the past forty-eight years: Nicholls, Jesaulenko, Walls, Davis, Williams, Jewel, Roos, Worsfold, Thompson (soone to exit this list).

It's also interesting to note that a very low number of naturally-talented footballers have achieved the ultimate coaching success: Blight (2), Jesaulenko (1), Roos (1), Coleman (2), and, stretching the definition in my view, Matthews (4).

Gritty players who got the most out of their (limited) talent are over-represented: Parkin (4), Sheedy (4), Hafey (4), Jeans (4), Barassi (4), Kennedy (3), Malthouse (2), Pagan (2), Williams (1), Thompson (1 and counting).

More to come on this subject.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Do not forget to add Worsfold to the list of players who got the best out of their bodies and got premiership results as a coach.

I think its got something to do with the fact that they themselves had to work hard to play the game and so they use that 'work ethic' in their coaching..

While other coaches were imo just lucky (Roos, Blight).

Murph said...

Yes, you're right on Worsfold.

Blight's record overall says he wasn't lucky. He went very close three times with Geelong before saluting the judge with Adelaide back-to-back. Five grand finals in a decade isn't luck.

You're analysis of having had to work hard to succeed is dead right. I'd take it a step further and say that they understand what's required of the bottom 25% of their list to succeed. I think it's that end of the list that carries teams to Premierships, not the stars.